Episode notes
After seven years of being in development, Tari finally launched in 2025. Why did it take so long and how many of the initial promises were delivered? Naveen Jain, Mr. Fox & Marguerite de Courcelle join the show to offer their best answers.
0:00 - Intro
0:47 - Welcome to S17 E45: Naveen, Mr. Fox & Marguerite
3:02 - What Is Tari? Mimblewimble, Four Mining Lanes & the Oodle
5:21 - Can Tari Compete With Solana?
6:32 - Meme Coins vs. Real Businesses
8:22 - The Ticketmaster Killer That Wasn't
9:18 - Big Neon, the Pandemic & the Spotify Exit
11:20 - How Dependent Is Tari on Monero's Hashrate?
12:26 - Why Four Mining Lanes and Two Tokens?
14:48 - The One-Way Peg: Burning XTM for the L2
15:43 - Tari Script on L1, Full Programmability on L2
16:13 - Sponsors: Layer 2 Labs & Braiins Hashpower
19:24 - The C29 Consensus Bug & How the Lanes Held Up
23:02 - The Beam Question: Great Tech Is Not Enough
26:18 - What Is Tari's Killer Use Case?
29:21 - Programmable Confidentiality: Securities, Escrow & Stigma Markets
30:15 - Fox's Cat Shirt & the $100 Monero Giveaway
31:36 - Sharing Security With Monero: The Underappreciated Part
34:09 - Did the Monero Community Stick Around?
36:52 - From White Papers to Tickers: The Decline of Ideas
39:14 - Naveen's Linkin Park Lesson: The Lowest Common Denominator
43:11 - Build Contests, Encrypted Messengers & Private Voting
44:48 - Learning English From Linkin Park
47:31 - The Meteora Bank Vault Listening Party
49:27 - Mining Q&A: Pool Censorship & RandomX Changes
53:19 - The Pool That Kept the XTM
53:38 - Will Other Privacy Chains Copy the Model?
54:52 - Sponsors: SideShift & Orange Rock
56:31 - Marguerite (Coin Artist) Joins
57:45 - From the Ethereum ICO to MaidSafe to Decred
1:00:45 - The First Crypto Puzzle Ever: Dark Wallet, Amir Taaki & Cody Wilson
1:02:12 - There Is Treasure Hidden in Tari's Blockspace
1:02:55 - What Marguerite Does on the Tari Council
1:05:52 - Building for Humans or for AI Agents?
1:09:09 - Giveaway Mechanics: Three Numbers, One Winner
1:10:00 - Attracting Normies: Blink, Browser Agents & Small Beginnings
1:13:00 - Tari Universe: Mining Without the UX Nightmare
1:14:28 - Where to Buy XTM (Or Just Mine It)
1:16:15 - Mining Monero and Tari at the Same Time
1:17:41 - Satoshi's Email to Laszlo
1:18:11 - Naveen's Number Is 43 & He Has to Go
1:18:31 - Does Gaming Belong on a Blockchain?
1:19:29 - Neon District, Axie & the PFP Ceiling
1:21:40 - Vibe Coding Three Games in One Weekend
1:25:01 - Online Poker, Frozen Accounts & the First Bitcoin Gamblers
1:27:42 - The Winning Number: 40
1:30:00 - If Monero and Tari Were Roommates
1:31:31 - Privacy-First Games: Fog of War & Front-Running
1:39:21 - Skybox, Modding Communities & Creator Royalties
1:43:39 - Mr. Fox Is a Furry (the Third One on This Podcast)
1:45:46 - The Real Use Case: Commissioning Art Without Bank Permission
1:47:46 - The Manicure Question
1:48:37 - Lessons From Neon District & Loot Boxes
1:50:56 - Vlad's Brother, the CS:GO Knife & the Rome Vacation
1:53:40 - Top Three Games of All Time
2:01:45 - John Carmack & the Open Source Doom Engine
2:03:11 - Tim Sweeney: The Cypherpunk Behind Unreal
2:06:59 - Amir Taaki's Lara Croft Origin Story
2:08:01 - Vitalik Rage-Quitting WoW & Colored Coins
2:11:06 - Bringing the Soul Back to Open Source
2:12:55 - What Fox Wants Built First: Payments Without Permission
2:14:55 - The Community Takeover & the Core Contributor Program
2:18:09 - Councils, Leaders & the Decentralization Paradox
2:22:16 - Andreas Antonopoulos, Vitalik & the Need for Faces
2:25:42 - The NATO Problem: Organizations Without a Purpose
2:28:49 - Steemit, Twitter Tip Bots & Make It Rain Doge
2:31:22 - Counterparty, Rare Pepes & NFT Archaeology
2:34:41 - When VCs Discovered OpenSea
2:36:30 - Infinite Fleet & the Game That Never Shipped
2:39:37 - John Romero: Why Play-for-Money Kills Fun
2:43:05 - Cats: Hunter & Salieri
2:46:43 - A Mini-Game for Vlad's Website
2:47:24 - The Trojan Horse Thesis Revisited
2:48:24 - The Builders Never Left
2:49:02 - Different Leaders for Different Eras
2:52:08 - Why Seven Years? And How Long Until the L2 Matters?
2:54:41 - How to Start Mining Tari Today
2:55:41 - Outro
0:00 - Intro
0:47 - Welcome to S17 E45: Naveen, Mr. Fox & Marguerite
3:02 - What Is Tari? Mimblewimble, Four Mining Lanes & the Oodle
5:21 - Can Tari Compete With Solana?
6:32 - Meme Coins vs. Real Businesses
8:22 - The Ticketmaster Killer That Wasn't
9:18 - Big Neon, the Pandemic & the Spotify Exit
11:20 - How Dependent Is Tari on Monero's Hashrate?
12:26 - Why Four Mining Lanes and Two Tokens?
14:48 - The One-Way Peg: Burning XTM for the L2
15:43 - Tari Script on L1, Full Programmability on L2
16:13 - Sponsors: Layer 2 Labs & Braiins Hashpower
19:24 - The C29 Consensus Bug & How the Lanes Held Up
23:02 - The Beam Question: Great Tech Is Not Enough
26:18 - What Is Tari's Killer Use Case?
29:21 - Programmable Confidentiality: Securities, Escrow & Stigma Markets
30:15 - Fox's Cat Shirt & the $100 Monero Giveaway
31:36 - Sharing Security With Monero: The Underappreciated Part
34:09 - Did the Monero Community Stick Around?
36:52 - From White Papers to Tickers: The Decline of Ideas
39:14 - Naveen's Linkin Park Lesson: The Lowest Common Denominator
43:11 - Build Contests, Encrypted Messengers & Private Voting
44:48 - Learning English From Linkin Park
47:31 - The Meteora Bank Vault Listening Party
49:27 - Mining Q&A: Pool Censorship & RandomX Changes
53:19 - The Pool That Kept the XTM
53:38 - Will Other Privacy Chains Copy the Model?
54:52 - Sponsors: SideShift & Orange Rock
56:31 - Marguerite (Coin Artist) Joins
57:45 - From the Ethereum ICO to MaidSafe to Decred
1:00:45 - The First Crypto Puzzle Ever: Dark Wallet, Amir Taaki & Cody Wilson
1:02:12 - There Is Treasure Hidden in Tari's Blockspace
1:02:55 - What Marguerite Does on the Tari Council
1:05:52 - Building for Humans or for AI Agents?
1:09:09 - Giveaway Mechanics: Three Numbers, One Winner
1:10:00 - Attracting Normies: Blink, Browser Agents & Small Beginnings
1:13:00 - Tari Universe: Mining Without the UX Nightmare
1:14:28 - Where to Buy XTM (Or Just Mine It)
1:16:15 - Mining Monero and Tari at the Same Time
1:17:41 - Satoshi's Email to Laszlo
1:18:11 - Naveen's Number Is 43 & He Has to Go
1:18:31 - Does Gaming Belong on a Blockchain?
1:19:29 - Neon District, Axie & the PFP Ceiling
1:21:40 - Vibe Coding Three Games in One Weekend
1:25:01 - Online Poker, Frozen Accounts & the First Bitcoin Gamblers
1:27:42 - The Winning Number: 40
1:30:00 - If Monero and Tari Were Roommates
1:31:31 - Privacy-First Games: Fog of War & Front-Running
1:39:21 - Skybox, Modding Communities & Creator Royalties
1:43:39 - Mr. Fox Is a Furry (the Third One on This Podcast)
1:45:46 - The Real Use Case: Commissioning Art Without Bank Permission
1:47:46 - The Manicure Question
1:48:37 - Lessons From Neon District & Loot Boxes
1:50:56 - Vlad's Brother, the CS:GO Knife & the Rome Vacation
1:53:40 - Top Three Games of All Time
2:01:45 - John Carmack & the Open Source Doom Engine
2:03:11 - Tim Sweeney: The Cypherpunk Behind Unreal
2:06:59 - Amir Taaki's Lara Croft Origin Story
2:08:01 - Vitalik Rage-Quitting WoW & Colored Coins
2:11:06 - Bringing the Soul Back to Open Source
2:12:55 - What Fox Wants Built First: Payments Without Permission
2:14:55 - The Community Takeover & the Core Contributor Program
2:18:09 - Councils, Leaders & the Decentralization Paradox
2:22:16 - Andreas Antonopoulos, Vitalik & the Need for Faces
2:25:42 - The NATO Problem: Organizations Without a Purpose
2:28:49 - Steemit, Twitter Tip Bots & Make It Rain Doge
2:31:22 - Counterparty, Rare Pepes & NFT Archaeology
2:34:41 - When VCs Discovered OpenSea
2:36:30 - Infinite Fleet & the Game That Never Shipped
2:39:37 - John Romero: Why Play-for-Money Kills Fun
2:43:05 - Cats: Hunter & Salieri
2:46:43 - A Mini-Game for Vlad's Website
2:47:24 - The Trojan Horse Thesis Revisited
2:48:24 - The Builders Never Left
2:49:02 - Different Leaders for Different Eras
2:52:08 - Why Seven Years? And How Long Until the L2 Matters?
2:54:41 - How to Start Mining Tari Today
2:55:41 - Outro
